He strengthened his hold over Winterfell through marriage between his son and Stark girl. The Florents are married to a number of houses including the Tarlys and Hightowers. There should be a lot more “ugly” women in the series. It's not necessarily about how many men they can field but how many may rally to their cause. He is disgusted with Wun Wun and desires to meet the beautiful Val. 11 years of being married to Stannis might do that to anyone. However, I have to disagree about Stannis's marriage. Why would Robert and Jon have Stannis marry a Karstark, a region they are not worried about rebelling? Stannis did not marry her to inherit Brightwater Keep, so her place in the succession line is immaterial. The Hightower's might well take a beating if Euron hits Oldtown which I think he might. If the Florents were deemed a worthy (or necessary) match though why the hell did Robert or Jon Arryn make him marry Selyse? [2] Will it be Selyse and Stannis who achieve this (unlikely since I think they will be stuck in the North for a long time), or will Alekyne Florent resurface? If Robert played any role in arranging Stannis's marriage we would already have a page worth of Stannis's complaining about it. The plan is to send the message to the Tyrells that if they do anything suspicious, the Crown has a very good relationship with a family that could be argued to have a better claim to Highgarden than them. I feel I've seen this question dozens of times. She’s not pretty (mustache and large ears). The Florents are far richer, influential and prestigious than the Karstarks. How will they achieve it? They were married before Stannis had a cause, and after Robert had a legal heir (or at least had one on the way). Recueils de Westeros et d'ailleurs: Crédits: Florent Paume. For example, Lord Leyton could have married Lynesse (or another brood member) off to Stannis instead of Jorah. If all houses had 2,000 men, they would be one of the 30 largest houses. Their fleet has already been hit pretty hard. On 8/11/2019 at 9:29 PM, Angel Eyes said: At Highgarden, teaching Lord Puff Fish how to play cyvasse, Westeros: The 'A Song of Ice and Fire' Domain, HBO Reveals First Actor Cast in House of the Dragon, Game of Thrones Complete Collection (Blu-Ray), Head of House Steller, serving King Stannis I Baratheon. His 'actual care of the realm' is entirely meaningless a decade ago when they married. Other houses, major ones, are also missing of the AGOT appendix in the different regions. I always assumed that Selyse was the next Florent eligible to wed and Stannis being wed to her was a warning to the Tyrells about remaining loyal to the new Baratheon dynasty, as the Florents are well-known for their desire to rule the Reach.. So this argument fails on both fronts - The "claim" is meaningless. He says that the Florents can field 1500-2000 men, even less at the start of ACOK due to Lord Alester fighting for Renly. I have seen it. Attention : les adresses mail ci-dessus sont "antispammées" ; il faut donc remplacer le _AT_ par un @ dans votre fenétre de mail. Though I doubt Robert ever truly suspected that Stannis would ever do something like that. At that point in time, Littlefinger was still in the Vale and had not yet risen to prominence in Gulltown. [10], Axell arrests Ser Davos Seaworth in Aegon's Garden on Dragonstone after Melisandre predicts Davos's plot to kill her. One land, one god, one king! [5] He is homely[1] and ugly. Aegon has 10,000 men. Tyrells will be wiped out next book (except for Loras), so no one will be in position to object when Aegon names Randyll new Lord of Highgarden and Reach's overlord. Angel Eyes, August 12, 2019 in General (ASoIaF). So yes, Aegon's conquering of the Stormlands is being done with five thousand men (something I still think is bizarre). Aller à : navigation, rechercher. Yeah it really doesn't make sense. Same as every house in the North with the Starks, every house in the Stormlands with the Durrandons/Baratheons, etc. [1] He carries a dagger. Sure. Did they have women available at the time? Nobody thinks Roslin Frey is the worst marriage for Edmure amongst the Frey women despite the fact that she comes behind many 'sisters', nieces and grand nieces in the succession line. At the time of the Wedding she may have just been another granddaughter of the current Lord Florent. Westeros: The 'A Song of Ice and Fire' Domain Either way, Jon Connington and Aegon will not mind. Do you think House Florent will be able to get revenge on the Tyrells from taking Brightwater Keep from them? [6], I shall bring justice to Westeros. Perhaps I cannot burn you without the king's consent, but who is to say you might not suffer a fall. He mocks Lord Davos Seaworth during a feast with Cotter Pyke and officers of the Night's Watch, comparing the Onion Lord to an ape. It's 100% a fandom invention. They are exactly what they seem. Also, Stannis's marriage is a threat. If House Florent was a "relatively minor noble house" as you put it there was no way Stannis would have been married to one of them when there were plenty of other higher-ranking noblewomen he could marry. In that context Selyse seems more unusual than she should. In one stroke, it accomplished two things for Robert: it took his brother down a peg by marrying him to a lesser house, while at the same time it raised the status of the house that says it has a better claim to Highgarden than the Tyrells, who backed the MK during the rebellion. [3], Axell supports Stannis Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne. Only this time, Randyll is already married and has kids with Florent wife. It's a legitimate match between the same rank. [5], Defeat is a disease, and victory is the cure. We know of no attempt from the Tyrells to undermine Robert, or help Viserys or Daenerys in their exile. Then what about those infantry at Bitterbridge? When Cotter sends letters to Jon Snow, Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, he disparages the Florent knight. There are 51 noble houses (or at least important enough to merit mention in the main series) in an area, what, about half or even a third the size of the North? [1] He is the younger brother of Lord Alester Florent. 0 September 1, 2014 #193 – Melessa Florent; 0 April 14, 2012 #124 – Imry Florent; 0 October 17, 2011 #070 – Selyse Florent; Valar morghulis! [8], Ser Axell, if you are truly the Queen's Hand, I pity Her Grace. When Axell declares Davos a traitor for saying this, he is send away. Posts from the ‘Florent’ Category. They are to the Reach what houses like Cerwyn are to the North. Search by words! The florents are in the top 5 group of the Reach they field 2000 clavary which is better then 5000 foot so yes they are very powerful. I allowed myself to wallow about being a woman in Westeros. His Grace must make me his Hand, in place of my traitor brother. [4] Axell brings his own brother, Lord Alester Florent, to the dungeon when the Hand of the King is accused of treason. she was pretty low on the totem pole of the Florents as the daughter of the third of four sons. Basically what they may or may not lack in raw military might they seem to have made up for in cunning marriage alliances; at this point Houses Tarly, Hightower, and Florent are connected through marriage, and the Tyrells may find themselves isolated from their faithful bannermen, if things start to go sour for them. And we also know that Robert chose not to revoke a lord's land and titles at any point in time. [3][4] He has the prominent ears for which House Florent is known. Nor is he any catch in an appearance himself. And for every one soldier they're able to turn to their side, that's one less soldier the Tyrells would be able to fight them with. I bet the Hightowers could muster a larger, better armed and better trained group of warriors than anything Euron has left to throw at Oldtown. Plus, appearance is not really that high on list of reasons why nobles marry. I'd guess they are a middling reach house, power wise, just based on how many houses are in the reach and the relative size of the forces we can subtract from the biggest vassals and the Tyrells. That makes him quite the catch and honestly even with his prickly nature there should have been noblemen fighting for his hand for their daughters. Yet...They can only field 2000 men out of the Reach's more than 50000. Given names of Westeros. A main line Florent is the best available bride in the Reach after the Tyrells. I cant remember honestly but I do remember that originally house Florent has 2000 calvary which as I stated before is quite powerful considering other lords calvary strength. 9 hours ago, James Steller said: Stannis really got screwed over with that marriage. [5][6] The brows are beetled and both his nose and ears are hairy. If anything this makes them a perfect fit, most wives with common sense may have tried to talk him out of it. House Mooton, which controls a major town however, is left unmentioned. No, I was pointing out that House Florent was nearly as powerful as House Karstark, which was one of the most powerful components of Robb's army. I agree, the Florents seem way too under-powered, especially since they're listed as one of the Great Houses in one or two of the appendices. Possibly because, if they were serious about contesting with House Tyrell for control of the Reach, they could possibly sway some of the other houses of the Reach to their side. A thing Ser Axell understands as little as he does war. The way they're described implies very much that they are supposed to be one of the principal houses of the Reach and the appendix of AGOT lists them as one of the main houses sworn to house Tyrell. Their territory butts up against the Hightowers and Highgarden, so we know the land itself has to be good and they are almost certainly not in possession of a ton of land. What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive? Well, guess what, Randyll will use this superior claim through his wife and get awarded the Reach by Aegon and Jon Connington (if something happens to Alekyne Florent in Oldtown, say, Euron attacks, then Melessa is the new Lady of Brightwater Keep as well). We have no idea who Ryam was married to, it may well be that Selyse had the best pedigree out of all the Florent women who were available to marry. [7] During his time in the north, he grows a ragged brush of a beard. But there are more powerful and influential houses like Hightower. Wealth and influence is power as well. Sommaire. Same with the Redwyne's. Robert did not have Stannis marry into them to threaten the Tyrells, he did it because they were a noble house with a daughter of age and he probably found it funny that she has the hint of facial hair. But we know that Renly did not even have all of the Reach's houses, and that knocks them down even further. [5], By 299 AC, Axell had been castellan of Dragonstone for ten years while Lord Stannis Baratheon has been away in King's Landing to serve on the small council of King Robert I Baratheon. Westeros: The 'A Song of Ice and Fire' Domain The plan is not to wait for the Florents to take over the Tyrells. [5], To King Stannis and his wife, Queen Selyse, Light of the North! Why the hell not? No, unless you only go with looks. [3] Axell's nose is broad, the eyes are close set, and he has a double chin which is saggy. 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